Today I’d like to go over Hebrews 5:7-10 and explore how this directly contradicts Christian doctrine about Jesus’ deity and the sin sacrifice.

7During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.
8Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered
9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him
10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.
-Hebrews 5:7-10

Lets break it down and go over it in detail… and see what we find.

1. “During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”

a) Jesus had to pray to the “One who could save him from death”… showing that only God could have saved him from death. Jesus cannot be God.

b) Jesus was seeking a way out. Recall his prayer before his capture…. “Let this cup pass from me”. He did not willingly surrender to the Jews to make his so called “sacrifice”.

c) Jesus was heard, meaning he was saved from death. Which basically counters the claim about Jesus being dead for 3 days for three days. It cant be said that a man was saved from death AND was dead for 3 days.

2. Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

a) Jesus had to learn obedience.
Does someone who is “fully man and fully God” need to learn obedience?

b) The promise of eternal salvation is for all who obey him
OBEY, not just believe he died on the cross for their sins. I also don’t recall Jesus teaching people that they need to believe that he died for their sins to be saved. Not even AFTER his resurrection when his followers saw him. Why is that?

c) Jesus was designated by God to be a high priest in Melchizedeks order.
Jesus was NOT God but instead was appointed by God.

3. These verses lead to the following conclusions.
a) Jesus was not divine, as he had to “learn to be obedient” and had to be “designated by God”.
b) Jesus was not willing to be “sacrificed”
c) Jesus was saved from death.
d) Salvation was promised to those who obey him, not simply believe he died for their sins.
e) Hebrews 5:7-10 is NOT in harmony with Christian doctrines of Jesus divinity, his crucifixion and the need to believe in Jesus “sin sacrifice” to be saved.

Please address the verses in the OP first. No need for theology lessons and lets not change the definitions of words.

Thank you.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread888807/pg1

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