In this thread, I would like to discuss Zephaniah 3:9,  a rather obscure verse that prophesies the coming of Islam. Below is the verse as it appears in three different translations:

For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent (King James Version)

“For then I will give to the peoples purified lips, That all of them may call on the name of the LORD, To serve Him shoulder to shoulder (New American Standard Version)

“Then I will purify the lips of the peoples, that all of them may call on the name of the Lord and serve him shoulder to shoulder (New International Version)

Pay attention to the keywords underlined in the above verse. Upon understanding the meanings of those words in Hebrew we see that the passage is foretelling a time when people, standing shoulder to shoulder (in unity), would call upon God in a “pure language”. In order to analyze the keywords in that verse, I will – God willing – present the word, its Hebrew equivalent, a link to a Bible lexicon, examples of the word used in other places and a short comment. To verify the actual meanings of the word in question, please look up the passages where the word is used in other contexts.

1. “People”
The Hebrew word used is “am” (Strongs word number: 5971)
Meaning: people, nation, persons, members of one’s people, compatriots, country-men, kinsman, kindred
(Other uses: Genesis 11:6, Genesis 17:6)
Comment: Though addressed to the Israelites, the Hebrew word for “people” also refers to people in general, as opposed to any one particular ethnicity.

2. “Pure”
The Hebrew word used is “Barar” (Strongs word number: 1305)
Meaning: to purify, select, polish, choose, purge, cleanse or make bright, test or prove
(Other uses : Daniel 11:35; Daniel 12:10)

3. “Language”
The Hebrew word used is “Saphah” (Strongs word number: 8193)
Meanings: lip, language, speech, shore, bank, brink, brim, side, edge, border, binding
(Other uses : Genesis 11:6-7, Genesis 11:9)
Comment: The word  can also mean physical “lips”. But in the context of the verse, the word refers to a pure language. This points towards the use of a common liturgical language that is used by all worshipers.

4. “Call upon”
The Hebrew word used is “Qara” (Strongs word number : 7121)
Meanings: to call, call out, recite, read, cry out, proclaim
(Other uses: Exodus 1:18, Genesis 12:8)
Comment: In a new language, will people call upon God. The above meanings apply to Muslims who literally call out to God during the call to prayer; and who recite praises to God in prayer and even in everyday speech.

5. “One consent” / “Shoulder to shoulder”
The Hebrew word used is “shekem” (Strongs word number: 7926)
Meanings: shoulder, back shoulder, shoulder-blade, back
(Other uses: Genesis 21:14, Genesis 24:45)
Comment: This suggests unity in worship. This unity can only be achieved if adherents of the religion pray in the same way, use the same language and pray at the same time. This unity in worship is flawlessly reflected in Islam, where Muslims literally stand shoulder to shoulder in prayer.

In light of the above, Zephaniah 3:9 is speaking of an “update” to the monotheistic religion of the worship of the God  of Abraham. It points towards a time when the worship of God would take place in a new language, with worshipers displaying a sense of unity. Since the Hebrew speaking Israelites are being told of a “pure language”, as opposed to, say, “your language” or “the Hebrew language”, it must refer to a language other than the Hebrew language of the Israelites. Besides Hebrew, the Arabic language is the ONLY other language that is liturgically used throughout the world in the worship of the God of Abraham. And what religion utilizes Arabic? Only Islam.

The unity in worship spoken of in Zephaniah 3:9 cannot be fulfilled in Christianity, a religion whose adherents around the world pray to God in their own language, in different ways and during different times. However, the unity of worship spoken of in Zephaniah 3:9 is most certainly fulfilled in Islam. Even though Arabs comprise only 20% of the worlds Muslim population, practising Muslims the world over, regardless of their own language and ethnicity, pray in Arabic even if they themselves can’t speak Arabic in conversation.

This is undoubtedly a prophecy, like many others, that has been fulfilled in the coming of Islam.

Here I have listed a number of youtube videos in which Rabbis and practising Jews from different parts of the world speak on Islam and Allah.

Since Christians have an affinity towards Jews, who also have the Old Testament (TaNaKh), I thought it would be better to let the Jews explain to their Christian friends the truth that Allah is the God of the Torah. But of course, the truth about Islam and Allah remains regardless of what a Jew or anybody else thinks.

Now, not all Jews feel the same way. Indeed, there exists a diversity of views on this subject among Jews; but it still remains that many practicing Jews recognize that the concept of God in Islam and Judaism are identical.

(Disclaimer  :  Please note that I may not agree with the views of these Rabbis on various other matters.)


Jewish Rabbi Praises Islam

Jewish Rabbi Admits Islam Is The Oldest Religion

Jewish Rabbi: Islam is religion of future

Jewish Rabbi Admits Muslims Are Blessed (interviewed by John Pastor Hagee)

Jewish Rabbi Worships Allah

Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God

Jew explains Allah – God of ISRAEL



“The Hour will not be established-till the people of the desert (the camel shepherds) compete with one another in constructing high buildings.” 

1. Skeptics deem prophecies about increase in wars, disasters and immorality as being too ”vague” to be taken seriously, and therefore not enough to identify someone as a true prophet foretelling the future. 

However, there are other prophecies that accurately describe events and life in our modern world. One such prophecy that stands out is the one made by Mohammad foretelling that the desert dwelling Arabs – once simple sheep and camel herders living in tents – would be competing in the construction of tall buildings. Today we have what we call ”skyscrapers”, located not just in developed Western cities in North America, but even in Arab lands, places that are once mostly dry and barren with people living in simple houses and tents. 

2A. The morality of these lavish displays of wealth are besides the point and out of the scope of this thread. Observant Muslims understand that lavish displays of wealth and extravagance are against Islamic principles. Mohammad knew that 1400 years from his time, desert dwelling Arabs – who according to Islam were to shun extravagance – would be competing in the construction of tall buildings! In fact, it is only within the last 3 decades or so, that skyscrapers and highrise buildings filled the skylines of major Arab cities. The key word here is ”compete”, which in the given context suggests constructions for the sake of status and prestige, as opposed to addressing practical needs. To my surprise, I recently learned that there IS such a thing called a ”skyscraper competition”! 

One would have to be either blind or willfully ignorant (and I will absolutely NOT waste my time in dealing with either type)…. to deny that Mohammads prophecy about competitions to build tall buildings has been fulfilled 100%. The people of the desert have competed to build tall buildings. Given the prophecy, it is absolutely no co-incidence that the worlds tallest skyscraper, the worlds tallest lighthouse and the worlds tallest clocktower are all in Arab lands. 

2B. Whats really interesting is that Saudi Arabia has announced plans to gigantic 1 kilometer tall tower, that would be  The Kingdom Tower 

Kingdom Tower (Arabic: برج المملكة‎‎ Burj al Mamlakah), previously known as Mile-High Tower, (Arabic: برج الميل‎‎), is a skyscraper currently under construction in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia……. that will be located along the Red Sea on the north side of Jeddah. If completed as planned, the tower will reach unprecedented heights, becoming the tallest building in the world, as well as the first structure to reach the one-kilometre-high mark.

The recent announcement of the tower has provoked widespread and highly divided reaction throughout the media. Those who support the project see it as an investment that, although visionary, will have positive social and economic effects on the area as well as the country in the long term, while others see it as nothing more than the result of self-centered and attention seeking competition between oil-rich gulf nations that will serve no purpose other than as a white elephant, costing more and generating less than expected, if it even gets built.

3. The Arab skyscraper prophecy is important because its fulfillment (among certain other prophecies not covered in this thread)… signals the beginning of the end times. The implications of this is that the timing of the beginning of the end times is no longer a matter of speculation and conjecture. Rather, it has been confirmed that we have been living in the end times for quite some time now. 

And God knows best!

The Bible states in more than one place that God is unseen by man. In John 1, it is declared that No man hath seen God at any time. Paul states the same thing in 1 Timothy. In Exodus 33, God Himself declares that “no man can see Me and live”. This in itself establishes that God cannot be seen by man. Yet throughout the Bible, there are several instances where “God” was not only seen by humans (who survived the experience), but also ate, was spoken to face-to-face, forced to give blessings and fails to overpower a man in a wrestling match! 

Example 1) Hagar is blessed by an angel who is addressed as “God” (Genesis 16:7-14) 
The angel of the Lord found Hagar near a spring in the desert; it was the spring that is beside the road to Shur. And he said, “Hagar, slave of Sarai, where have you come from, and where are you going?” …. She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” 

– Though the text explicitly says Hagar met an “angel”, Hagar proclaims she “saw” God. 

Example 2) Jacob extorts a blessing from a “man” and then proclaims he has “seen” God. (Genesis 32:24-30) 
So Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him till daybreak. When the man saw that he could not overpower him….But Jacob replied, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.”….Then the man said, “Your name will no longer be Jacob, but Israel, because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome.” …..So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” 

– Obviously, the man was an angel in human form. Like Hagar, Jacob also proclaims he “saw” God, despite the text saying otherwise. 

Example 3) An angel tells Jacob in a dream “I am God”. (Genesis 31:11-13) 
The angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob.’ I answered, ‘Here I am.’ And he said, ‘Look up and see that all the male goats mating with the flock are streaked, speckled or spotted, for I have seen all that Laban has been doing to you. I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me. Now leave this land at once and go back to your native land.’” 

– Here an angel appears in Jacobs dream and tells him he is “God”. 

Example 4) Moses encounters an angel as a burning bush, who says “I am God” (Exodus 3:2-4) 
There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.” When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!” 

– An “angel” appears as fire, which then starts speaking as “God”. 

From the above, it appears there are two contradictory propositions within the Bible. One being man has not seen God and the other that man has seen God. Logically, they both simply cannot be true at the same time. Either man has seen God or he hasn’t. 

To complicate matters further, in the 4 examples I’ve presented, the “angel” of the Lord is constantly referred to and identified as “God”. So if the “angel of the Lord” is not God and if the proposition that man has not seen God is true, then it can be concluded safely that the angels were just representing the presence of God in a form visible to humans. The angels were a visible form that spoke for God, who as He declared cannot be seen. This explanation can be applied to other instances where men supposedly “saw” God, one example being Abraham’s encounter with the three “men” while hearing God’s words. 

In other words Hagar, Jacob, Moses, Abraham etc all saw visible angels – as men, fires – while hearing the words of God, who spoke through them. God has never seen by man. 

God knows best.

The almost sudden transformation of Arabia from a cesspool of idolatry to a shining example of Abrahamic Monotheism is nothing less than a miracle. One can expect the Bible to speak of this event from a prophetic perspective. But exactly what part of the Bible points to the rise of Islam and the warrior-prophet who established it?

Isaiah 42 confirms the arrival of a certain servant of God who :

a) Was called the “light of the Gentiles”… 
No Israelite prophet fits this. Not even Jesus, who said that he came only the lost sheep of Israel. This chapter is speaking about a servant of God who dealt with gentiles, who were towalk in ways they had not known before,(more on this later) which the former idolatrous Arabs most definitely were.

b) Influenced the people of Kedar, Sela and the wilderness… 
Let the wilderness and its towns raise their voices; let the settlements where Kedar lives rejoice. Let the people of Sela sing for joy; let them shout from the mountaintops. Let them give glory to the Lord 
Kedar = son of Ishmael, ancestor of the Arabs
Sela = Mountain in Medina where Mohammad fought a battle (wiki)
Wilderness = The harsh regions where the Arabs lived
This is a crystal-clear reference to the geographical area where Mohammad operated. No Israelite prophet had anything to do with these regions, at least not to the extent of Mohammad.

c) Worked single-mindedly towards completing his mission…
he will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth.
Mohammad indeed campaigned against great odds. He endured insults and abuses and was called a madman by those who opposed his call to Monotheism. He could have easily given up at any point. But instead of faltering or becoming discouraged, he succeeded in ending idolatry and established the worship of the One true God, declaring “None has the right to be worshiped but Allah”. The law that he established over the Arabs,  also served as a judicial system.

d) Was instrumental in fighting Gods war…
The Lord will march out like a champion, like a warrior he will stir up his zeal; with a shout he will raise the battle cry and will triumph over his enemies.
Obviously, God isn’t going to personally march out or raise a battle cry. Mohammad was Gods instrument of war. His victories were victories of God, not his own.

e) Was instrumental in shaming the idolaters… 
But those who trust in idols, who say to images, ‘You are our gods,’ will be turned back in utter shame. 
Mohammad indeed shamed the idolaters when he won and destroyed their idols and established Islam. They, being Mohammads mortal enemies, would have felt even more ashamed when Mohammad forgave them after his final victory over them. Mohammads victory over the idolaters was the fulfillment of this prophecy. It is what God meant when He said “I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.”.

f) Was instrumental in leading the people through new ways… 
I will lead the blind by ways they have not known,along unfamiliar paths I will guide them;
I will turn the darkness into light before them 

This is what happened when Mohammad established Islam. The former idolaters left their old ways behind and were indeed led by ways they had not known. The former idolaters accepted a religion that worshiped the One True God and revered the prophets and accepted Jesus as the Messiah.

Today, there are no more worshipers of graven images left in Arabia, so nobody is going to come along to “shame them”. The people of Kedar and the wilderness have already rejoiced. The darkness of idolatry has already turned to the light of pure Monotheism. All these prophecies have already been fulfilled with Mohammad and so it confirms that Mohammad was a “Biblical” prophet. I have presented incontrovertible evidence not from the Koran, but from the Bible itself that shows events in Islamic history were prophesied by God. So when you deny this, you deny the prophecies in your own Bibles. If you believe somebody else fits the descriptions of the servant of God of Isaiah 42, go ahead and post it along with your proofs.

Christians had a 600 year long headstart before Mohammads arrival. They had the scriptures, the time and the armies to Christianize Arabia, like Europe. They even failed to carry out the mandate of “go and make disciples of all nations”, with regard to their Arabian neighbours. And so they have no right to object or criticize Mohammads achievments in ending idolatry and establishing a religion that worshiped the God of Abraham and revered Jesus as Messiah. This is what God wanted and Gods Will was indeed carried out on earth by Mohammad, the servant of Isaiah 42. God knows best.

(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

To put (a person) to death by nailing or binding to a cross. 

Part 1 : The Biblical account of the crucifixion 

1) The Christian account of the crucifixion is that Jews demanded from Pontius Pilate the death sentence for Jesus, following which the Roman executioners carried out the crucifixion – a standard Roman execution procedure at that time. This implies that the Messiah, Jesus was killed at the hands of men – the Roman executioners who nailed him to the cross and more importantly, the Jewish priests who wanted him dead.

2) John 10:18 opposes the idea of Jesus having his life taken by men. Here Jesus makes a fascinating declaration, that he – with God-given authority – was in charge of his own life and that no man could take his life away from him. The exact verse is as follows :

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. – John 10:18

3) The implications of John 10:18 is that Jesus could not have been truly “killed” by men, whether the Roman executioners or the Jewish priests. If it were so, then Jesus’ declaration that no man could take his life would be severely contradicted. In light of John 10:18, Jesus would have laid his life down on his own, only to take it back in the tomb after which, he ascended to God, but he did not die of the crucifixion, and nobody killed him.

Part 2 – The Islamic account of the crucifixion compared to the Biblical account. 

1) The Koran assertively declares that Jesus was not killed, but that Allah raised Jesus up to himself.

That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow for of a surety they killed him not. Nay! Allah took him up to Himself; and Allah is Mighty, Wise. – Koran 4:157-158 
(“They” and “them” refers to the Jews.)

2a) The above verses are often (mis)interpreted as meaning that Jesus was not personally taken up to the cross, and that somebody else was transformed to look like Jesus and mistakenly crucified in place of Jesus. This happens to be the popular interpretation of the Korans statement on the crucifixion. However, what if the above verses are actually fully in line with the sayings of Jesus and the Biblical account of the crucifixion? I will comment on the underlined parts of the verses, (But only Allah best knows the meanings)

2b) “they killed him not, nor crucified him” : Lets be clear first that to “crucify” is to KILL. It doesn’t mean to merely nail someone to a cross and leave it open ended. The 2 thieves died of the crucifixion and stayed dead. You could legitimately say that they were “killed / crucified”.

Jesus however, is exempt from falling the same category as the thieves for 2 reasons:
First, his own declaration in John 10:18 holds that no one could take his life from him and that he could lay down life on his own. And according to the Gospels, Jesus indeed laid down his life after he said “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” (Luke 23:46). Second, Jesus had authority to take back his own life. His resurrection in the tomb and ascension are well known. Putting the two together, we see that it echoes the Koranic statements that “they killed him not, nor crucified him…Allah took him up to Himself”.

2c. “but so it was made to appear to them” : To the Jews (and everybody else) looking on, it would have appeared as if he “died” as a result of the crucifixion But unbeknownst to them, Jesus had laid his own life, as he said he could and therefore, unlike the 2 thieves, did not die as a natural result of the crucifixion.

2d) “but only conjecture to follow” : The Jews remained convinced that Jesus was dead, and even spread rumors that Jesus “dead body” was stolen from the tomb by his disciples. Matthew 28:11 says that this story “has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day”. The Talmud supposedly contains a reference to the crucifixion and Jews continue to believe they executed a false prophet, but Christians know that was resurrected and ascended to God.

2e) “Allah took him up to Himself” : This does not need any further commentary, because its also the Christian view that Jesus ascended to God (John 20:17).

Part 3 : Conclusion
1. Jesus’ statement in John 10:18, “no man can take my life” corroborates the Korans statement that he was not killed/crucified.

“No man can take my life” = Jesus could NOT have been killed by men.
“I lay it down on my own” = Jesus did NOT suffer death by crucifixion like the thieves.
“I can take it back” = Jesus took it back in the tomb, or rather God returned his life back to him.

Reading the crucifixion in light of John 10:18, Jesus laid his own life and did not die by the hands of men carrying out the crucifixion. Nailed to the cross, yes. Died of the crucifixion, no. Jesus came back to life and ascended to God.

2. Hence, the Korans few sentences on the crucifixion, “they killed him not” … “but it was made to appear to them” … “having only conjecture to follow”…”Allah took him up to Himself”… elegantly summarizes the Bibles long account of Jesus’ “death”, the Jews storymongering and his ascent. We see that the Koran does not contradict the Bibles account of the crucifixion, but instead condenses it to a few short, crisp and poetic sentences.

Related verses from Bible : John 10:18, Luke 23:46, Matthew 28:11, John 20:17
Related verses from Koran : Koran 4:157-158

This thread attempts to clear up certain misconceptions that Jesus appeared to counter and dismiss the Old Testament law, and that Jesus had nothing to do with the Old Testament God who gave these Laws. A lot of my points are taken from another thread that I had participated in recently.

1. Jesus said the Law is to remain “till heaven and earth disappear.” 
Christians often quote Jesus’ famous words “let he without sin cast the first stone” and claim it as “proof” that the Israelite Laws calling for harsh punishments were done away with by Jesus. The truth is that Jesus, using God-given authority and discretion, spared the adulteress to remind the hypocritical Pharisees of their own sins. Jesus turned the tables on the Pharisees only because he saw them as a bigger moral problem than the adulteress. It was NOT because he taught that the Law was done with as Christians claim. On the contrary, Jesus declared that the law was to remain until heaven and earth disappear.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. – Matthew 5:17-18 

Don’t tell me everything was accomplished when Jesus was nailed to the cross. Jesus said nothing about this either on the way to the cross, or after his resurrection. The idea that the law was done with is a Christian concoction. As we can see, heaven and earth are still around, and so every part of the law remains – according to Jesus.

2. Jesus constantly referred to the Old Testament God, Law and prophets. 
Christians dance around the issue of the Law by claiming that the “Law” spoken of by Jesus was really not the same as the “Law” mentioned in the Old Testament, but something else. I’ve also come across some “Christians” who claim that the God of the OT was different from the One who Jesus called God (I’ll address this point later.)

The truth is that there is nothing to prove that there were actually 2 sets of laws mentioned in the Bible… a harsh OT law and a softer law that Jesus referred to, as some people calling themselves “Christians” claim. There was only one Law, given by God to Moses, who brought it to the Israelites, which Jesus referred to. Therfore, it means Jesus also kept referring to the OT God who gave the law to Moses and spoke to the prophets.

It is also made obvious that Jesus was referring to the Law mentioned in the Old Testament when he said “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. If Jesus was talking about the prophets of the OT, then its obvious that he was talking about the OT Law as well. It’s simply ridiculous to claim he was referring to the OT Prophets but spoke of some other Law. Then again, I wouldn’t be surprised if some Christians actually go on to claim that very thing.

Then we have Jesus doing the following :
– Jesus referred to the 10 commandments and the law (given to Moses by the OT God)
– Jesus referred to the custom of offering gifts on the altar (according to OT law)
– Jesus referred to Isaiah, Noah, Abraham, Jonah, Moses etc. (prophets who the OT God spoke to)
– Jesus revered the temple where Israelites worshiped (the OT God)
– Jesus acknowledged the Pharisees authority (who followed the OT law and sat in the seat of Moses)
– Jesus ate the Passover meal (food prepared according to the OT law)

So, Christians who claim Jesus’ God was not the God of the OT, why did Jesus go around referring to OT prophets who the OT God spoke to? Why did Jesus refer to OT laws and custom? We see all those references to things we know from OT because Jesus operated within the existing Israelite Laws and customs. It is simply impossible to separate Jesus from the Old Testament God, the prophets, the laws and practices. “Christians” who try and do so are living in their own imagination.

(* I don’t like using the term “the OT God”, but I am just using it here to make a point that “the OT God” was the God of Jesus)

3. Shocker : Jesus actually acknowledged the Pharisees authority. 
“The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. – Matthew 23:2-3 

Jesus is known to have severely criticized the Pharisees calling them white-washed graves, hypocrites and what not. One would imagine that Jesus would have instructed people to rebel against these wicked Pharisees.

Yet, amazingly Jesus acknowledged the authority of the Pharisees, and instructed people to “do and observe” as the Pharisees said. The big question is, was Jesus being a hypocrite for opposing the Pharisees while at the same time, instructing people to do and observe as they said? Or was there a deeper reason as to why he taught people to do and observe as the Pharisees said?

Jesus called out the Pharisees on their hypocrisy, but even that was no reason for Jesus to dismiss the very Law that the Pharisees were authorities on. Much like how your country’s law is more important than corrupt authorities, the Law of God was more important to Jesus than the human authorities. Jesus obviously respected Moses and the Law, and thought people to follow the Law, with a few tweaks here and there. Which is why he said the law was to remain, and even went on to acknowledge the authority of Pharisees, who were (unfortunately) seated in Moses’ chair, i.e- as authorities on Israelite laws. Jesus instructed people to do as the Pharisees say. Nowhere did Jesus ever tell them to “do as they say, except the nasty bits”.

We also know that the Pharisees were known to sentence people to death by stoning according to the Law. So if Jesus wanted people to do as the Pharisees said and if the Pharisees were obsessed with the Law… and if Jesus never mentioned anything about certain parts of the law not applying anymore….it can safely be concluded that Jesus acknowledged even the laws that required stoning.