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(If I say something that is right, then God has inspired me. If I say something that is wrong, then it is my own mistake.)

One of the key players in the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan are the Taliban, who are largely comprised of Pashtun tribesmen. The Pashtun are a people renowned for their warlike nature and their history of fiercely resisting foreign invasions. What distinguishes these Pashtun fighters from other Islamic militias is the fact that they are of Israelite descent. This is not just a vague hypothesis, as there is plenty of evidence linking these Pashtun to the ancient Israelites.

One of the strongest indications of the Pashtuns link to the Israelites are the glaring similarities in clan names between the two groups. Ephraim = Afridi , Reuben = Rabbani, Asher = Ashuri, Levi = Levani, Naftali = Daftani, Gad = Gadoon etc. Then there are several other cultural similarities between the Pashtuns and the Hebrews, which this video describes quite well.

Ironically, the Pashtuns of Afghanistan / N.W.Pakistan, despite harboring strong grudges against Israel and Jews, themselves claim descent from the ancient Israelites. This idea is further expanded by Second Israeli president Itzhak Ben-Zvi. He writes in his book “The Exiled and the Redeemed

“The Afghan tribes, among whom the Jews have lived for generations, are Moslems who retain to this day their amazing tradition about their descent from the Ten Tribes. It is an ancient tradition, and one not without some historical plausibility… if the Afghan tribes persistently adhere to the tradition that they were once Hebrews and in course of time embraced Islam, and there is not an alternative tradition also existent among them, they are certainly Jewish.” 

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The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the Lord of hosts is his name. Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms

While this may not be a direct prophecy of the Pashtun Israelites, it definitely mirrors their military accomplishments against more powerful kingdoms and empires. A few decades ago, these Pashtun Israelites were a large part of the Mujahideen(holy warriors), a religious army who fought back and defeated an irreligious army, not just any irreligious army… but one belonging to superpower Russia.
What the lightly armed mujahideen lacked in armor and air power, they made up with an unbreakable will fuelled by their religious faith. I take this as a sign. Many christian commentators attribute the modern state of Israels military victories to God. It can also be said that the ‘other’ Israel, i.e – the pashtuns resilience and battlefield prowess is also from God. 

I strongly believe that these Pashtun Israelites will play a major role in the end times events. As of now, they are engaged in a battle against two powerful armies, the US and NATO forces. Will this war truly end after troop withdrawal or will it evolve into a more complicated war, with newer players? Only time will tell.

‘Israel’ means both a nation and a people. Keeping this in mind, we can look at biblical end times events from the perspective of Israel, the people as opposed to Israel, the modern nation. Also, ‘Israel’ whether taken as a nation or as a people, does not specify or indicate a religious identity. So its very likely that there is a ‘hidden’ Israel that will play a major role in end times events. This ‘hidden’ Israel I am speaking of are the Pashtun Israelites… who happen to be muslim… in other words, challenging the popular notion that “Israel” refers only to the jews.


Something for Christians to ponder over….
Interestingly, Islamic prophecy states that the majority of the forces of the Mahdi are “from the Bani-Israel”, i.e – Children of Israel. Furthermore, Islamic prophecy also states that arabs fighting the dajjals forces would be “very few” in number. This is indeed very remniscent of the situation during the Afghan-Soviet conflict, where the Arab foriegn fighters were very few compared to the Pashtun fighters.

Furthermore, Islam teaches that Jesus, an Israelite is the messiah who will defeat the anti-christ….and that the Mahdi, “has the body of an Israelite”. Perhaps it is indeed odd that Islam teaches that the muslim Israelites play a greater role than the Arabs during end time events…. or perhaps the Israelites indeed have a major role to play in the days to come.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread866653/pg1

What many people don’t realize is that a “muslim” who keeps every single Islamic law, but rejects Jesus as messiah…. is NOT a muslim. Today through Islam, there are 1.5 billion people who accept Jesus Christ as the messiah. So its not just Christianity thats bringing people to Jesus, but Islam as well. So it can be legitimately said that Christianity is not the only religion where the acceptance of Jesus is a crucial tenet of faith.

If Islam honors Jesus as the bible commands to, then it is not the anti-christian faith as portrayed by many fundamentalists. Their theological arguments against Islam almost always exclude the fact that Islam describes Jesus as the virgin born messiah. I’ve also even seen many Christian “scholars” misrepresent Islam by stating that Jesus was a mere prophet in Islam. They never speak the truth about Islamic beliefs about Jesus’ virgin birth… his status as the masih… and his return to slay the anti-christ.

By uttering a half-truth about Jesus being a mere messiah, these fundamentalists mislead their own people
It reminds me of this particular verse….
Ye People of the Book! why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge?
-3:71

While Jesus’ “end” and his divinity, are still debated today….the basic description of Jesus’ character in Islam is identical to the bible and most importantly, Islam does not deny Jesus as the messiah.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread837771/pg1

Regardless of what people think of Mohammad and Islam, its undisputable that Mohammad utterly changed the face of Arabia. He put an end to the culture of idolatry, polytheism and paganism that prevailed in Arabia…. and established a monotheistic religion that directs all worship to the One true God and recognizes and honors the biblical prophets and Jesus.

This is a feat that the jews and the christians could not acheive, despite having had a head start for centuries in the middle east. Instead, Arabia was cleansed of its polytheism and idolatry through Mohammad, an Ishmaelite. Considering the long lasting impact he made, Mohammad was clearly destined for great things.

I expect to see the usual posts questioning Mohammads prophethood and denying that Allah is the God of Abraham…. but I also have a few questions to christians…

1. If you believe Mohammad was a false prophet, then why did God allow for Islam to prevail in the middle east?

2. If christianity is the true path, then why didn’t God allow for christianity to prevail in the middle east, instead of having Mohammad show up and spread Islam, which you see as a false religion.

3. If you believe muslims will never be saved unless they accept christianity, then doesn’t it mean that God made it difficult for muslims to be saved? Because as you know, muslims are rather strict about religion and will not simply “accept Jesus as lord” just because they read it in a tract. So, why did God put muslims in a difficult situaton?

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My take is that Mohammad was a true prophet and Islam is a valid Abrahamic religion.
God did not allow for Islam to be established only to send muslims to hell, for the crime of not being christians. Instead Mohammad was chosen to cleanse Arabia of its idolatry and polytheism… and enforce the very first commandment that was given to the Israelites. He truly was an agent of God.

Further reading

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread832782/pg1

In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians to Assyria. The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together. In that day Israel will be the third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on the earth. The LORD Almighty will bless them, saying, “Blessed be Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.”
-Isaiah 19:23-25

Clearly this refers to a future time of peace between Israel, Egypt and Assyria
Israel is referred to as a “third” among the Egyptians and Assyrians, which are presently muslim regions.

These particular verses are strange considering it goes against the mainly Israel-centric interpretation of prophecy. Egypt and Assyria are called Gods people and handiwork, and Israel is clubbed with these present day Islamic nations.

I believe this refers to the reconciliation between the semitic peoples or the children of Abraham, from among both Isaac and Ishmael. Abrahams children indeed became like the “sands of the sea”. Seeing how this depicts peace on earth between former enemies, it could be an indication that civilization remains intact even after the events of Armageddon.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread817977/pg1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ_oMp8I-k8&feature=player_embedded

 

Came across this video about a unique set of Israelites, who live as muslims…the Pashtuns living in Afghanistan and north west Pakistan.

The video talks about how the Pashtun way of life closely resembles that of the Old Testament Israelite. The video also explains many similarities between Israelites and Pashtuns…from clan names to practises to social laws and so on. It also shows artifacts written in Aramaic, found in pashtun territory.

Some of the visuals in this clip are indeed astounding… like as if a place from the Old Testament era somehow time-warped into the 21st century.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread816626/pg1

 

So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water. He who saw it has borne witness— his testimony is true, and he knows that he is telling the truth— that you also may believe.
For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”
-John 19:32-37

Pay attention to the underlined section.
The scriptures being referring to the “unbroken bones” to are Exodus 12:46, Numbers 9:12 and Psalm 34:20

Exodus 12:46 and Numbers 9:12 both simply deal with how the Passover meat is to be eaten. It has nothing to do with the messiah or anything else. It is an instruction on how families are to eat the passover meal.
“It must be eaten inside one house; take none of the meat outside the house. Do not break any of the bones.”

If the writer is actually comparing Jesus’ unbroken legs to the ritual Passover meal, he would be likening a barbaric execution to the strict ritualistic preparation/consumption of the passover meal.

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Then we have Psalm 34:20, which refers to an actual human being and not a cooked meal.
If this is the “scripture” that the author of John was referring to, then it needs to be read it in context with the surrounding verses.

Upon reading Psalm 34, we see that Text basic theme is about how God saves the righteous…


The eyes of the LORD are on the righteous, and his ears are attentive to their cry;
The righteous cry out, and the LORD hears them; he delivers them from all their troubles.
The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit.
The righteous person may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all; he protects all his bones, not one of them will be broken.
The LORD will rescue his servants; no one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.

So the bit about the unbroken bones is not to be read in isolation. It is explicitly stated that all his bones would be protected, AND that God would deliver the person from all his troubles.

Therefore, it makes zero sense to believe that Gods servant underwent torture at the hands of his enemies, (contrary to Psalm 34 about God rescuing His servants) and then claiming that this scripture was fulfilled in Jesus’ unbroken legs.
This puts christian theology in a tight spot because it not only refutes the statement in John, that Jesus unbroken bones fulfilled scripture, but also brings up the question- Did God did not rescue His servant, Jesus, as stated in Psalm 34:20??

Now, I know there are some who will try and muddle up this thread with unneeded scriptures used to support the crucifixion, instead of addressing whats being said here- that the scripture that was supposedly “fulfilled” through Jesus’ unbroken legs point to Jesus being rescued… the opposite of a painful crucifixion.

If Psalms 34:20 indeed referred to Jesus, and if the bible is indeed infallible, then it means that Jesus cried out to God before his arrest and God heard him and rescued him…. with all bones unbroken, of course.

This leans closely towards the Islamic view on Jesus’ crucifixion… that God will never let His servants suffer as horribly as Jesus and rescued him.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread812763/pg1

Matthew 20:1-16

1 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard.

2 He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing.

4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’

5 So they went. “He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing.

6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered. “He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius.

10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius.

11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner.

12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius?

14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.

15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

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My interpretation of this is that rewards of this life (whether you call it salvationheaven or being saved) has no bearing on how early on you or your people or your religious group were called to walk the path that leads to God.

The last group of workers, hired at 5 in the afternoon are those muslims who recieved the call to serve the God of Abraham ages after the other workers were hired, i.e – christians and jews.

So at the end of this life, when righteous muslims are called to recieve their reward, along with righteous jews, righteous christians etc., God will “pay” the muslims the same as those who were “first”(Christians and Jews). Those who were first cannot say that they were cheated, as they too recieved the reward that was originally promised to them.

The parables conclusion : “the last will be first and the first will be last” basically means that one should not look down condescendingly upon those who came after them. The call to worship the God of Abraham did not end with Jesus and “being saved” is not only a christian thing. 

God has laid out different paths for different people to attain the same “reward”, and different people are called at different times. To think that other paths to being saved is invalid basically amounts to arguing with the Creator as if saying “but I did everything you asked me to do to be saved! How can you reward all these other guys who did not do as I did??”

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread804168/pg1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MdxW6SnVNI&feature=player_embedded

 

I came across this video this morning, and I am watching it right now.
I felt it would make an interesting thread in the religion and faith section here on ATS, considering many threads here focus on conflicts between religions, especially involving islam and judaism.

Even if one cannot sit through the whole video, (it is pretty slow paced, I admit) the basic message is pretty clear- Most Jews and muslims on their own have no problem getting along.This fact does not change despite some agenda-driven fundamentalists insisting that islam is hostile towards Jews.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread799945/pg1

1 “Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles” 
-Who is this “servant” who will bring forth judgement to the gentiles.
Im guessing Christians dont interpret this “servant” to be Jesus, since Jesus is a “son” or “God in the flesh”.
Pay special attention to the word “servant”…. this servant is key to the fulfillment of the following :


4He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Who was this servant who would not fail in his mission, of setting judgement in the earth? And what was “his law” that was awaited by the isles?


6I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; 

-Again, this concerns the gentiles. Jesus declared in his own words that he was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.


11Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the rock sing, let them shout from the top of the mountains.

-This is good news for the villages that “Kedar inhabits”. Kedar, as you know is a son of Ishmael. Furthermore, I interpret “wilderness” to mean the wilderness that Ishmael entered with his mother. So it appears that this part is relevant to the Ishmaelites….


16And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not; I will lead them in paths that they have not known: I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things straight. These things will I do unto them, and not forsake them..

-The blind are those who were living in the spiritual darkness of paganism and idolatory. Who were those people who came out of the darkness, and entered a new life of worshipping the God who chose Abraham.

To summarize, this particular chapter seems to be addressing the gentiles, i.e- Non-Israelites. It is prophesied that they will be removed from darkness and brought into the light of the way of God. These gentiles are given a “light”, through a servant of God.

IMHO, this servant was none other than Mohammad.
Reading the whole thing in context….I cant think of anybody else who was declared as a servant, who God said He upholds and declares as His “elect”…. who also had an impact on the people of Kedar and the “wilderness”.
Those who came out of the darkness were those who Mohammad brought out of idolatory and paganism. So darkness was indeed made light before them, and they were led in new paths that they had not known, by worshipping the God of Abraham.

 

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread778852/pg1

 

(watch it all the way through the end)

Once you are done, take a close look at this Yemenite jewish symbol….Notice the 6 pointed jewish star? Good… Now, notice the arabic letters in the center….

Does it look familiar?